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A UCC list knows a name, a number and an old filing

With real-time leads you pick who you talk to. With a list you get whoever is on it.

Alex Makowski · Updated 10 October 2026 · 3 min read

The short answer

A UCC list knows three things about a merchant: a name, a number and an old filing. Meta knows what they care about, their interests, who they follow, how long they look at a profile or watch a video, and what they do on other apps. With real-time leads from Meta you also choose who you talk to: industry, monthly revenue, credit score and past defaults are on the lead before you dial. A UCC list gives you whoever is on it. Because the leads you send back to Meta shape the next week’s leads, the deals a batch will close become close to predictable.

The case against UCC data is usually made on price per funded deal. There is a simpler case underneath it. The list is the targeting, and a list built from public filings knows almost nothing about the merchant on it.

You pick who you talk to, at 10:30. Chapters and transcript →
Whiteboard headed “7. You pick who you talk to”, with ticked boxes for industry, monthly revenue, credit score and past defaults. To the right, in red: “A UCC list? whoever’s on it.”
Four fields you see before the first dial, against whoever is on the list.

You pick who you talk to

A real-time lead arrives with the merchant’s industry, monthly revenue, credit score and past defaults, so the rep knows who they are calling before the phone rings. The criteria are also inputs. Do not want trucking companies? Leave them out. Only want 700-plus credit? Set it. Want homeowners because you sell HELOCs? Target them. A UCC list cannot take an instruction like that, because nobody on it told anybody anything.

Meta knows more than any list, at 13:33. Chapters and transcript →
Whiteboard headed “Meta knows more than any list”. A red dotted box: “A UCC list knows: a name, a number, an old filing.” Versus a box headed “Meta knows:” with ticks for what they care about, their interests, who they follow, how long they look at a profile, and what they do on other apps.
Three facts against five kinds of behaviour.

What each one knows

A UCC list knowsMeta knows
A business nameWhat they care about
A phone number, often appended by a third partyTheir interests and who they follow
An old filing: they borrowed onceHow long they look at a profile, an ad or a video
What they do on other apps

Meta knows these merchants, in Alex’s phrase, like the back of its hand, and it knows the rest of us too. The question he puts to brokers is which of the two is more likely to put a better merchant on the line. A filing says a business took secured funding at some point. It says nothing about whether they need money now, which is the only thing that matters on a cold call.

That loop only works if the right leads go back, which is why disqualified leads never go to Meta and why what you send decides the next two weeks. The result is the $1,000 worked example: a known spend, a known number of leads and a close rate you can plan against. The UCC versus real-time comparison puts it next to the price argument.

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